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Jack Hurst Why doesn't this page just use players actual average maxes from 15 rounders instead of this formula?

Oliver Garner This

Chris Davies So it also takes into account numbers, conundrum attacks etc. and therefore has more data?

Jack Hurst 90% of conundrum attacks are against no opponent, so they make the data on conundrums a bit biassed

Charlie Reams There's no way to account for that anyway, since the proportion of max games in any format depends on your opponent. So you may as well use all the data.

Gevin Chapwell I'd go with Charlie on this.

Charlie Reams Now that's a real collector's item, Gev!

Jonathan Wynn Due for a max game within the next 98 games according to this then-good times :)

Josh Hurst Kirk is well shit, not even on this page anymore.

Michael Testface But he still has a beautiful body.

Adam Gillard Get on the show, Josh "averages 10.9 maxes" Hurst.

Herbert Plank Yes, please do.

Marcus Hares and Hugh "averages 10.1 maxes" Binnie as well.... and I can't wait for Timothy Ian to go on the show, from nowhere to 4th really is something else!

Josh Hurst I let Jack use my account sometimes. I'd be down at about 7.5 if it wasn't for the 13 and 14 max games he keeps getting whilst logged on as me.

Ryan Taylor Both my rivals are ahead of me on this one. Must try harder.

Mark D Either I've played a pathetically large number of rounds, or the rest of you just don't take seriously enough. I'm fully prepared to run with the latter.

Ahmed M How come i'm not in the list?

Innis Carson Presumably because you didn't play for >30 days. You will be next time it updates.

Andy Platt it's about time i got on this. i'm sure 30th was at about 8.5 or 8.6 recently though

Julie McCarthy 1 in 17 is a max game - are we absolutely sure that Innis is human?!

Ian Volante I've once scored more maxes than Innis's average. And that was this week.

Adam Gillard How is the "Max game, 1 in..." statistic calculated? I don't understand how one person can have a higher average maxes figure but a lower chance of a max game than another.

Graeme Cole Presumably it takes into account the different rounds in a 15 rounder. If someone is exceptionally good at the letters and numbers but terrible at conundrums, for example, their average maxes could be around 12-13 but the probability of a max game would be still be relatively low.

Adam Gillard Ah good point. The conundrums would explain why Scott's figure is so high.

Graeme Cole Alternatively it might take the mean and the standard deviation of your maxes and use a normal distribution with those parameters to find how likely 15 maxes is. So someone with a mean of 10 but whose play varies wildly has more chance of a max than someone who always consistently scores 12 maxes every game.

Gevin Chapwell I always assumed it just did p (letters max)^11 * p (numbers max)^3 * p (conundrum max). Your alternative sounds like more work for less accuracy.

Graeme Cole Actually, that sounds a lot more plausible.

Charlie Reams Yep, that's how it works.

Graeme Cole Well, paint my arse blue with a haddock.

Graeme Cole Yep, ticket #301 fixed now.

Michael Testface And mine please thanks.

Jon O'Neill Why is the conundrum lower limit so high?

Gevin Chapwell I sem to remember asking Charlie about this before and that he said it needs to be that high to get a proper representative sample. I'm not sure I agree though. I think the "problem" is that some people are more likely to play Prune and some people are more likely to play other people, and this will never average out, however many conundrums they do. So some people will always do better out of this statistic.

I think the bigger concern is that 50 conundrums probably wipes out a lot of people who easily make the criteria for the other rounds when it's only 1/15 of the game. So, yeah, I agree, Jono.

Charlie Reams It's 10 for Speed and Bullet so more likely it was just a mistake. I'll fix it.

Mark D I was rated 0.2 maxes higher before this fix occurred. I demand the previous rules are reinstated.

Charlie Reams I don't think it should make any difference to the maxes of the players on here, you're probably just getting worse at an alarming rate.

Ahmed M i've gone up by 0.1

Charlie Reams Yes, but that has nothing to do with the change.

Jon O'Neill I'm still not in the top 25 :(

Jon O'Neill You might as well change it back mate, I don't give a shite.

Gevin Chapwell You might be 26th (if it goes all the way down from 9.0 to 3.2 in that one position).

Jon O'Neill Get on Apterous, I'm going to MaxTown on you tonight.

Mark D Word of warning - if he beats you, he'll never let you forget it.

Gevin Chapwell Where has the decimal point gone?

Jack Hurst This page needs to be updated daily.

Gevin Chapwell It's interesting how it seems to naturally split into "divisions". 4th to 5th goes from 12.5 to 12.0, and 14th to 15th goes from 11.4 to 10.7!There's also 11.7 to 11.4, but that's not quite as marked.

Mark D When I joined Apterous, 8 was enough to get you on this page.

Jon O'Neill When I joined, 0 was enough for top 2.

Gevin Chapwell The mysterious Ernest Mas eclipses all with 13.0! Conor's 12.9 would otherwise have been the highest I remember seeing.

Jon O'Neill

Gevin Chapwell Conor now on 13.1. Is this the record?

Kirk Bevins 13.2 now.

Jonathan Rawlinson 13.3!!!

Adam Gillard Amazing how Martin would get 1 max game in 157 games, where 0.1 average above him is less than half that, and 0.5 below him is still less than 157.

Gevin Chapwell He probably doesn't get many conundrums.

Gevin Chapwell Just looking at this, would 110 letters games as a minumum be more reasonable than 150? That way it's 10 games' worth of all types of round.

Gevin Chapwell minimum

Jon O'Neill For Speed and Bullet, that's the case. Maybe it's a typo.

Adam Gillard The top three 30th Birthday Championship contestants on this page are potentially my first 3 opponents (Innis R1, Kirk R2, Conor R3). I'm so gonna win this thing!

Gevin Chapwell Martin Long is now on 1 max game in infinity. Presumably he's just not solved a conundrum in 30 days!

Adam Gillard Haha, incredible stuff Martin!

Jon O'Neill If you get one now it will break statistics.

Martin Long :D Amazing!

I guess its because I've only been playing tournament 15-rounders lately - against people who are far better (and quicker) at conundrums than myself.

Jen Steadman 13.4 average maxes for Conor?! This is just getting ridiculous now.

Andy Platt Your face is ridiculous. On other news I'm in 26th, I will never make this list.

Gevin Chapwell I'm in the top 100. It's rare enough that I've played enough to even qualify for this, so it's doubly good.

Zarte Siempre Dan's officially better than Conor for a week.

Dan McColm I've always wanted to be on top of Conor.

Zarte Siempre FUCKING GAYS!

Jon O'Neill Pretty phenomenal.

Gevin Chapwell There was a lot of raving for Conor when he got over 13, and I think Dan's also been over 13 for a little while and now he's ahead of Conor, so go Dan!

Gevin Chapwell Bob on 13 now!

Gevin Chapwell Drew Halliburton sneaking up to second with 12.9. Bob up to 13.2!

Adam Gillard Team Bellface two places behind Eddie McCullagh!

Adam Gillard Bob De Caux. Average maxes 13.5. Max game 1 in 5. Best ever!

Gevin Chapwell Jack Hurst also up to 13.1.

Gevin Chapwell Bob de Caux is currently on 13.6! (Obviously things are slightly different with the extra numbers game, but not much.) Jack Hurst also on 13.

Gevin Chapwell Innis on 13.1. For someone that's always top on pro ranks, he's not top very much here, so it's good to see him top with a 13+ rate.

Kevin Stoba Does this include Classic Games? Seems like it does, because I haven't played much in the Normal format recently besides Classics and I'm still on this list.

Gevin Chapwell If it does, it shouldn't.

Adam Gillard I like how Martin Short has played exactly Lx100, Nx40, Cx10 rounds to make it on to this page.

Andy Platt More likely is its just coincidentally 10 games

Matthew Tassier It's difficult enough to get anywhere near this table without people using multiple trial accounts hogging places.

Zarte Siempre ^

Jonathan Wynn ^^

David Barnard Bob DeCaux not on here any more, how does he get so good without playing much?

Jack Hurst Dan on 13.4. Has anybody ever been as high as that?

Andy Platt max game 1 in 6, lol

Jack Hurst It is interesting how the disparity between the top players according to this page and the top players according to pro ranks seems to increase over time.

Gevin Chapwell Innis on 13.3. Of course, all-time statland records would remove the need to keep posting people's high scores on here, because the top ones would be saved! Vote thumbs up here - http://www.apterous.org/ticket_view.php?ticket=1375

Gevin Chapwell Oh yeah, there's a ticket for archived weekly lists too for you to thumb up - http://www.apterous.org/ticket_view.php?ticket=1179 - does this count as spam?

Zarte Siempre Yes.

James Bailes i'm 1 in 184,632 :(

David Barnard Lol Conor at 1 in 4

Gevin Chapwell And 13.6 average.

David Barnard Yeah, I'm jealous

Gevin Chapwell Dan McColm currently on 13.6 and 1 max game in 4.

Andy Platt insane

Adam Gillard And his letters maxes are a whole point better than his nearest competitors.

David Barnard And Callum is on 1 in 191, we all know that's complete bullshit, more like 190 in 191

Gevin Chapwell Conor's jumped in at 13.7 and 1 in 4. Dan still up on 13.5 and 1 in 5.

Gevin Chapwell There it is then. Conor on 14.0 and 1 max game in 3.

David Barnard Truly brilliant

Gevin Chapwell Just looking at the conundrum stats. Everyone in the top 11 is on 0.8 or 0.9. From 12th to 25th, only two are. I wonder how much is conundrum skill and how much is down to playing bots v playing humans.

Gevin Chapwell Callum now topping the tables on 13.6 (I'll stop doing this if we ever get archived weekly lists).

Adam Gillard Not sure if I've seen someone averaging 1.0 on the conundrums before - well done, Jack!

Gevin Chapwell Jack Hurst and Conor both on 13.4 at the moment, and 5 players on 13+!

Josh Hurst Gevin- when did you become not average?...

Gevin Chapwell http://www.apterous.org/ticket_view.php?ticket=2356 Sorry to disappoint you.

Sean D 14 max average over 50 games, nice!

Jon Stitcher WTF? How am I in the top 25 here?

Robin M 49th is poor

David Barnard You don't play many 15 rounders Robin so if you didn't fulfil your potential in those then it's magnified as there is less games to recover from the mistakes you made, you're better than that I know so that could be the case

Jamie M "Max game, 1 in... 2"

George Ford hahaha scary

Gevin Chapwell And I don't think I've seen 14.2 before.

David Barnard Conor top of letters, numbers and conundrums

Robin M 60th is seriously poor

Gevin Chapwell 14.3!

James Bailes better then 93rd robin :P

Robin M lol James - you're a fine player!

David Barnard Lol 14.3 is outrageously good

Dylan Taylor Now 14.4!

David Barnard shitting hell

George Ford this is really confusing because the page is called top 15 round players but judging by the games:rounds ratio it must include letters attacks, numbers attacks and mocktoruns ? so is it really top 15 round players ?

Josh Hurst It shows what your theoretical average maxes for 15 rounders are considering the success in each individual component and weighting them accordingly.

Josh Hurst Just looking through the comments, it is interesting to track the general progress of the user base through time. There was a comment at the end of 2011 from July McCarthy on Innis' prowess - that to have a "max 1 game in 17" is not human. At the time he would have been the undisputed stand-out performer. He still is up there, and in fact even better - but look how many others have improved and by how much. A few years ago I'm sure one could be on this board with an average maxes of 9 or less. Not a chance these days (unless we all attended a Co-event that got bombed and there was just Rhys Benjamin left...).

Dylan Taylor Would love to have seen if 14.4 could have been improved this week.

Dylan Taylor Now that's gotta be the new record.

David Barnard Jesus Christ

Matty Artell Petition for Apterous Rex to be renamed "Apterous Travers"

Johnny Canuck And on TV, during the 30th Birthday Thing, his performance was 100% for as many games.

Gevin Chapwell 14.5 for the record.

David Barnard He missed 4 letters maxes in the 6 games Johnny

Johnny Canuck For 3 games he got all maxes.

David Barnard Yeah and perfect in the letters in 4 matches

Bojack Horseman The lad's a decent player but could he do it on a cold Wednesday night in Flower Mound?

Gevin Chapwell Just in case there is any misunderstanding, where it says 3 games, it's not 3 15-rounders. He's played 360 rounds so it's 3 mocktoruns.

Oliver Lady 9.7 out of 10? Wow that is impressive. vwd Mr Travers

Mackenzie Stuart Yes, he's certainly very hard-working and ambitious!

Jonathan Wynn Nice one, Rob

Gevin Chapwell Rob Foster is 1.8 maxes clear at the top!

Zarte Siempre :O

Elliott Mellor Nice stuff Zarte!
I'm chuffed with 9.5 maxes average...and apparently 1 max game in 1366.....though despite playing nearly twice as many games as that I still haven't got one:-(

Johnny Canuck Why does one of my old Mole accounts have a comment on here?

Thomas Carey they get reused innit

Johnny Canuck Apparently not, since there was already another series and its name and avatar haven't changed...

Matty Artell Not all of them get reused

Thomas Carey he had me set up all the new accounts for this series on Christmas Eve

Roger Vincent If this is based on 15-round games how have I managed an average of 16 rounds a game (1436/89 at date of posting)? I don't think I've had any, or many, sudden death conundrums in that time, so it isn't that. Other examples, Chris Hare's games apparently average 18 rounds (4940/274) whilst Zarte Siempere's only 14. Seems odd.

Chris Hare I think this page uses all normal rounds (so 15-rounders, 9-rounders, Letters, Numbers and Conundrum Attacks) to calculate a 15-round average. I play a lot of Conundrum Attacks, which probably accounts for my higher rounds-per-game figure.

Roger Vincent That would figure, cheers

Joseph H 1 max game in 6?!

Rhys Benjamin 1 max in 128,117,612. yeah boiiii

Gevin Chapwell Doable.

Dave Robjohns Rob down to 1 max game in 3! Just incredible stats

Adam Finlay 100% in conundrums too!