Charlie Reams

Charlie Reams So it seems that, if your objective is just to maximise the max, you should probably just pick 4 vowels and not bother fishing.

Jen Steadman

Jen Steadman Does this include Bullet/Speed variants, or is it just 30-second rounds?

Charlie Reams

Charlie Reams All round lengths are considered.

Oliver Garner

Oliver Garner The fact that 9's are counted as 18 may skew the average a bit as 4/5 vowel picking is more conducive to 9's. However, on rounds where after the first seven letters it is clear that there is no 9, picking CC after 4C3V is surely often advantageous.

Charlie Reams

Charlie Reams You should generally be picking C for your eighth letter anyway -- it's the correct choice about 5 times out of 6. The final pick is the hard one. That's talking more in terms of theoretical optimality though. What I meant was more that, as a matter of human ability, it's probably safer to just pick 4V every time, since people who do that appear to outperform people who pick more 3V/5V selections. (I know people are not necessarily trying to maximise the max, but most of the time I imagine they are.)

Catriona Cappleman

Catriona Cappleman Interestingly, most of my games have been French, Italian or Spanish

Charlie Reams

Charlie Reams They don't count for this table.

Quinn James

Quinn James Yeah, I just hit the 4 key 100% of the time in most variants.

Gevin Chapwell

Gevin Chapwell What's Prune's average max?

Charlie Reams

Charlie Reams 7.92.

Nick Deller

Nick Deller I have 350 4V rounds out of 353, the other 3 are 5V, and I'm 155th on an average of 7.45. Obviously Apterous hates me. :-)

Adam Gillard

Adam Gillard Neil bucking the 4V trend.

Jack Hurst

Jack Hurst This page is crap, there's no point in picking a fifth vowel to get NEUROGLIA if you dont spot it.

Adam Gillard

Adam Gillard Don't recall ever seeing anyone as high as John is now (8.37).

Mark D

Mark D This page trusts a lot to the word "best". The best pick is the pick that gets you a word you spot and your opponent doesn't, not the longest.

Jon Stitcher

Jon Stitcher I'm in here by blind luck. I almost always go 4V.

Jon Stitcher

Jon Stitcher In fact, I usually only go 3V when I have ING up

Callum Todd

Callum Todd 7,753 rounds played in the past 90 days. I need to get a life.

Matthew Tassier

Matthew Tassier I agree with Mark. I don't pick to maximise the available max in a round, I pick to maximise my chance of winning the game. Apparently that currently makes me the 3rd "Worst" picker. Is there a more appropriate word than Best that could be used?

Zarte Siempre

Zarte Siempre Most profitable picker? If we term "profitable" in a high score sense, not a winning one? Still ambiguous, but an improvement.

Andy Platt

Andy Platt Just my opinion but "best" might be a correlation with how few maxes you leave in each round, and how many times you spot those very few maxes or indeed just win the round outright. Wonder what Graeme would say as he tends to always be right on stuff like this.

Adam Gillard

Adam Gillard You're all just jealous that John is the best.

Mark D

Mark D I love Liam's stats on here. :)

Gevin Chapwell

Gevin Chapwell Most fruitful? Most pointy, pointed, pointable?

Adam Dexter

Adam Dexter I just spam the C and V keys arbitrarily and somehow I've made 5th place - something about 1000 monkeys with 1000 typewriters springs to mind here :)

Rhys Benjamin

Rhys Benjamin I'm near the bottom, which, considering I tend to try to flatten rounds, is a good thing!!

David Barnard

David Barnard Probably one of the most pointless stats, someone who has a good word knowledge will surely pick to make the rounds as awkward to max as possible and most tend to be low scoring

Rosie Lennox

Rosie Lennox you're just jealous of my main man Aaron. back down man.

Matt Conway

Matt Conway I'm an average to poor player who doesn't max many games so that's what I attempt to do when playing goat; problem?

James Nguyen

James Nguyen This isn't for goat

Rhys Benjamin

Rhys Benjamin As if to illustrate David's point, I'm fourth in this table all of a sudden despite making no concerted effort to pick for high maxes unless I'm miles behind.

Adam Gillard

Adam Gillard Conor's even top of this! Average pick over 8 points, impressive!

Ian Volante

Ian Volante I've never really understood why I'm usually pretty high in this list. Simply a focus on four vowels?

Jordan F

Jordan F ...how the hell am I number 2?

Matty Artell

Matty Artell Statistically 4 vowels gives the highest average max, and you pick 4 vowels almost exclusively

Johnny Canuck

Johnny Canuck Clearly a lot of it has to be luck-based, though; Thomas Carey and Mark James have also chosen almost exclusively 4-vowel selections and their average maxes are still a ways below 8.

Matty Artell

Matty Artell If all 3 played a lot more, and picked 4 vowels exclusively, it *should* average out to the same value with enough rounds played

Johnny Canuck

Johnny Canuck Interesting seeing someone be at the top of the chart after such a high frequency of 5-vowel picks. Might there be more 5-vowel niners in the new dictionary than there used to be?

Johnny Canuck

Johnny Canuck Also, are niners counted as maxes of 9 or 18 for purposes of this chart?

Matthew Tassier

Matthew Tassier Eighteen.

Johnny Canuck

Johnny Canuck Thanks!

Sean D

Sean D High proportion of 4 vowel picks here, 4 vowels seems to give the highest average max, and the most 9s

Gevin Chapwell

Gevin Chapwell It's pretty much a case of pick four vowels and then it's pot luck. So for maximum luck potential keep your number of rounds down close to the minimum.

Stephen Fuller

Stephen Fuller Mr Wynn likes his '5 vowels' I notice.

Tracey Mills

Tracey Mills so does Jonathan Rawlinson !

Adam Gillard

Adam Gillard Disciplined 4-vowel approach from H Zekaj at the top!

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor Seems to have improved the max a fair bit! Though really the best pickers are the ones who pick such that they beat their opponent more often.

Tricia Lockhart

Tricia Lockhart Can't believe I am comparatively high on any Apterous list. I wonder whether the order of vowel choice is relevant? I get the impression that if I choose a vowel in the last slot, it is more often an E if I haven't yet got one. Could easily be imagination.

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor Probably that's because E is the most common vowel and a long string without any of them is unlikely.

Really this page is just who has the most luck, to be called best pickers imo it should factor in how often people max the rounds they pick.

Conrad Teixeira

Conrad Teixeira Or maybe average points per round picked, subtract average points per round picked by opponent?

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor If your opponent happens to pick a lot of 9y rounds though it could sway it a lot. Maybe average points scored per round/average points available per round?

Matthew Tassier

Matthew Tassier Surely (Average player points scored on player's pick - Average opponent points scored on player's pick) + (Average opponent points scored on opponent's pick - Average player points scored on opponent's pick)

Ian Volante

Ian Volante Not sure it has anything to do with the opponent's picks. And this might be based on luck, but I always seem to be near the top. Not sure why.

Matthew Tassier

Matthew Tassier It should be a measure of how much better you do on your pick than on your opponent's pick imo. I'm always right near the bottom of this current table, and quite happy with that.

Sam Prouse

Sam Prouse wow, i'm 4th, pretty good result for me

Sam Prouse

Sam Prouse Wow, how am I the 2nd best picker atm? incredible.

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor You're officially the second luckiest player on apterous.

Johnny Canuck

Johnny Canuck I find Sam's average max quite impressive given that the number of rounds played (i.e., sample size) is so much higher than those of the rest of the top 10.

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor Exactly. He's officially very lucky where picking for the highest max is concerned.

Sam Prouse

Sam Prouse Skill Elliott, Skill :)

Sean D

Sean D There's certainly an element of luck in this table, but at least subconciously you're picking the 'right' final letter regularly, so you must be getting a good feel for it Sam!
Another thing here is the top end is dominated by people picking lots of 5C/4V combos which will yield the most 9s.... many players will of course tactically pick 3V or 5V

Sam Prouse

Sam Prouse Cheers Sean

Tim Down

Tim Down Unsurprisingly, I'm dead last in this list because I nearly always pick 5 vowels. Given that 5V is my strongest selection relative to other people, this is the correct selection for me for winning games. I agree with earlier comments about changing "best" to some other adjective.

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor Yeah it really isn't the best pickers, more the pickers who happen to yield the highest average max. The best pickers are the ones who pick to win the round, not necessarily to maximise what is available, which if anything is the polar opposite of best tactically.

Matty Artell

Matty Artell That's not really a measurable thing though. There's really no issue with this saying "best", you're just splitting hairs imo

Transude Transude

Transude Transude Elliott and Matthew Tassier are correct. There still isn't a measure of who actually uses the picks on their turn to win rounds, which is a shame.

Andy Platt

Andy Platt Tony Atkins showing nice consistency, with every single round having 4 vowels.

Tony Atkins

Tony Atkins I'm lazy and just do CVCVCVCVC

John Carpenter

John Carpenter Since my strength appears to be getting 6s when my opponent gets 5s I thought I might change my tactics and choose only 3 vowels more frequently but experience shows now that this doesn't seem to make any difference. I still stick to mostly 4 or 5 vowels rather than 3 but still choose 3 if I feel I have a good word in mind.

Ian Birdman

Ian Birdman Solid strategy Mr. Carpenter

Andy SC

Andy SC I just pick whatever I can be arsed to pick

Ross Jeffries

Ross Jeffries CCVVCCVVC every time for me. When I was quite new to this Robin M called anyone who picked just 3 vowels some very nasty (i may be exaggerating slightly) words so have never dared to pick just 3V ever since

Andy SC

Andy SC Just pick whatever you wish to pick or you feel gives you the best chance.

Ross Jeffries

Ross Jeffries i probably should try to mix it up. I also miss a lot of words beginning with vowels so could be a better idea to start with vowels to prompt me

Simpatico Jones

Simpatico Jones Worsley and Siempre know what's up. I think two vowel Countdown should be accepted.

Piaras M Carney

Piaras M Carney How the hell am I 2nd?

Tricia Lockhart

Tricia Lockhart Don't question, Piaras, just take the accolade.

Elliott Mellor

Elliott Mellor You're second due to sheer luck.

Andy Platt

Andy Platt This isn't a measure of skill, Piaras.

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Piaras M Carney

Piaras M Carney oh :P

Sean D

Sean D The top pickers list is fairly random, but is generally dominated by people who pick 5 consonant/4 vowel as that yields the most 9 letters maxes

Andy Platt

Andy Platt The most objective measure would be some combination of people that pick to yield the fewest maxes, and still spot them. But that would be very complicated.

Tim Down

Tim Down It's a totally meaningless stat.

Steve H

Steve H Pick 4 vowels and let luck take its course. It's a pretty pointless stat to be fair

Major places

See also: list of all Statland pages.

Statland: Best pickers

This table shows the players who achieved the highest average maximum when picking letters in the standard variant in English over the last 90 days. Players must have picked in at least 100 rounds in that time to qualify; 159 players were eligible.

# Player Average
maximum
Rounds
played
Vowel count frequency
3 4 5
1stSteve H8.9011411067
2ndWill Murphy8.8111501150
3rdMartin Thomas8.66504114930
4thRichard Huang8.642263517615
5thIan Linton8.63281126713
6thOliver Garner8.63135281016
7thJohnny Canuck8.56227421796
8thAndrew Hypes8.522151916333
9thCillian McMulkin8.47250561895
10thPhil S8.4621262042
11thAdam Beach8.4532410020222
12thMark Murray8.456251358131
13thJack Worsley8.425,2231,5353,187501
14thStephen R8.41856081937
15thPeter J Clarke8.4118061740
16thThomas Cappleman8.4114621395
17thMaria Chandler8.41125121112
18thLiam Holton8.401054938
19thJoyce Phillips8.40798237714
20thJacob Coventry-Peters8.3974018051644
21stTony Atkins8.391,28011,2772
22ndDamo Banks8.381,219131,15155
23rdDave Ryan8.381,476581,313105
24thWilliam R Draper8.372,993202,543430
25thLorrie Bronsema8.3711085223
26thGerry Sullivan8.371001990
27thJosh Hurst8.362759516317
28thS J8.361,04851,01627
29thAmie Bateen8.35160101419
30thMatt Croy8.34160614410

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