 | Matthew Tassier Zarte, your dates seem wrong, does that matter? |
 | Zarte Siempre BUGGER! Anyone know if Charlie can change them from the back end. I'm just getting my months mixed up =/ |
 | Charlie Reams Yep, just file a private ticket. |
| Zarte Siempre Thanks Charlie :) |
 | Jason Turner Zarte, you say new entrants join at the bottom, then state ordered by pro rank. surely rank is immaterial except in the case of creating more than one extra league. unless you are planning on putting new entrants into a league of a level with there pro rank status. then the obvious question arises, why have the group stages?
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| Zarte Siempre Well for a start, I think there'll be more than 1 extra league. For a second, it becomes incredibly difficult to work out relegations from the bottom exisiting division, if the relegations would be going into non pre-defined leagues. |
 | Adam Gillard Please could you provide a link to the final standings from the pre-group stages and the make-up of each real division? |
 | Ian Volante Any news on the make-up of the divisions yet? Only five days before we start! |
| Zarte Siempre Here we go! The first official groups for the fully divided leagues. You will have 6 weeks from today to play your games and they will be processed when I wake up - it's too late to put 224 matches in manually now.
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| Zarte Siempre Group 1:
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| Zarte Siempre Division 2:
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| Zarte Siempre Division 3:
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| Zarte Siempre Division 4:
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| Zarte Siempre Division 5:
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| Zarte Siempre Division 6:
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| Zarte Siempre Division 7:
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 | Thomas Carey Presumably 'Group 1' is division 1? |
| Zarte Siempre yes |
 | Michael Cullen lol at me. Expected Joseph Krol to be higher though |
 | Eoin M Oh goodie |
 | Phil Collinge How many promotion/relegation spots will there be in each division? |
| Zarte Siempre 2 Phil |
| Zarte Siempre (2 up, 2 down) |
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 | Rhys Benjamin Well I'll be relegated for sure... |
 | Oli Moore <likes Eoin's link> |
| Zarte Siempre Div 1 - http;//challonge.com/apto21
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| Zarte Siempre That didn't work...
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| Zarte Siempre 3rd time lucky?
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 | Chris Butler I should have membership again in about a week so I'm definitely still up for being in this |
| Eddie McCullagh You may want to remove my twin brother Edward from this tournament as he won't be available to play :P |
| Eddie McCullagh Don't even know how he could possibly have signed up in the first place! |
| Zarte Siempre ...bollocks. Sorry Eddie, on it now. |
| Oli Moore I think six weeks is too long to wait. I think you should reduce the time to 1 month. That's plenty of time to complete the games I reckon |
 | Julie McCarthy I'd be OK either way - 4 or 6 weeks. As long as there's a deadline that everyone has to stick to, saves any messing about with stragglers at the end. |
 | James Hall I'm probably happier with 4, tbh |
| Ian Volante As, much as I'd like a quicker cycle, I think shorter than six weeks would cause more attrition than necessary over the longer term. |
| Chris Butler I agree, everyone should be able to play 7 games in a month. I think a calendar month would work better because people would remember the looming deadline each month
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 | Julian Joss At This rate 4 weeks would be tricky, i have been on every night this week and only managed 1 game. |
| Zarte Siempre There was a reason I picked 6, and it'll stay as such. Believe me, much consideration was given. |
| Oli Moore In Zarte we trust |
| Zarte Siempre ^^^^ *like* |
 | Harry Newton Tell me about it! I've been crap so far. |
| Julian Joss all i have to say is "I LOVE YOU BARRY" |
| Zarte Siempre Sorry for the delay guys, had a hectic weekend. Tables have now been updated. |
| Thomas Carey Hey Zarte, how many stages of this will there be? |
| Zarte Siempre Recurrent. It's just a league that'll go on until noone can be arsed any more. |
| Adam Gillard or March 10003 |
| Adam Gillard Sorry, that should be 13 March 10000: http://www.apterous.org/proranks.php?period=521785&variant=0&dic=0 |
 | Jon O'Neill That's my big 8-0-1-1. |
| Charlie Reams That's the worst formation I've ever heard of. |
| Zarte Siempre I dunno whose it'd be either, since there's no more Levein... |
| Zarte Siempre Some really interesting things developing in the leagues. Also a lot of tossers who've done vanishing acts... |
| Elliot Bowker i thought i would have to drop out but there isnt many games being played in div 7 at all, shame |
| Zarte Siempre No, you'll be fine Elliot lol |
| Chris Butler Don't be dis-heartened Zarte, the 'tossers' will drop-off, leaving the ones that want to keep this up, the number of divisions might get reduced a bit, but I think it will get better and better |
| Chris Butler Jordan & Jamie, when do you want to play our games, just noticed the deadline is looming. I can do it after 6 and night
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| Jamie French Chris, I've arranged to play another game tomorrow at 8 so just before or after that would be ideal for me. If you can't make that aptomail me and I'll try to accommodate whatever time you're free. |
 | S J I saw harry newton few time but never had any chance to complete the game with her
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| Zarte Siempre still got a week SJ :) |
| Julie McCarthy Keiran Bray and I have both had difficulty keeping to times we've arranged to play, so if we end up not completing, I think it's fair it's recorded as a draw if that's possible.
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| Zarte Siempre 6 days to go people - I'd be sending out messages if I were you. |
 | Kieran Bray Julie, Julian, Dave and Daniel - I'll attempt to be around tomorrow evening/night (Tuesday), if you can only do daytime Thursday would be my favoured day. Sorry I've not been around much to play. |
 | Steve Balog I will be on most likely on Tuesday and Thursday evenings. I've been in touch with a couple of the people I've been needing to play but if you see me on tomorrow we can play then. |
 | Dave Smith Kieran - cheers - I hope to be on at some point tonight, sounds like it's our only chance to cross paths as I'm at a christmas shindig on Thursday. Fingers crossed! |
| Julie McCarthy Thursday most likely for me, Keiran, ta. |
| Steve Balog Alright, got most of my games done. If by chance I can't get a chance to play my game vs. Eskay just call it a forfeit on my end -- we were both on for a solid hour at the same time today but I got a phone call and was on the phone that whole time - so it's my fault this match didn't happen today. |
 | Chris Marshall How are ties decided? |
| Zarte Siempre Total Points Scored. |
 | Mark D In my game against Thomas, I typoed the conundrum. Had I not done so, he would have been relegated instead of me. Balls. |
| Zarte Siempre That is about as unlucky as you can get... I'm torn between wanting to give you a hug, and laughing at you. |
| Mark D Eh, it's all right. I'll just burn the whole of Apterous down. FIRE CLEANSES ALL. |
 | Tom Cappleman Yeah, realised at the end of my game with Innis how lucky I was. Though at least me stealing the points for the conundrum didn't make a difference in itself. |
| Julie McCarthy I know I said that Keiran's and my game should be drawn if we don't manage to play, but I have been playing twice when we've arranged to play, and he's only played one game on apterous in the last 5 and a half weeks, so I think a draw would be rather unfair on me. |
| Zarte Siempre Couldn't agree more Julie :) |
| Kieran Bray I'm happy to let Julie have the win, Zarte, it's no problem. |
 | Andrew Feist I notice that the Challonge listing has changed its mind about who's getting relegated out of Rex Division.
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| Zarte Siempre OH FFS I WISH IT WOULD STOP DOING THAT! |
 | Barry French This "Tosser" has spent the past 8 weeks focusing on his new job and looking after his 6 week old son and helping the wife out. Sorry that is such a crime! I'm back and ready to play now however |
| Barry French ready to play next season* |
| Barry French and sorry to anyone its affected |
 | Ryan Taylor Who shat in your cornflakes? |
| Barry French 26/11/12 Zarte said "also a lot of tossers who've done vanishing acts". There's more to life than this site when you have a new job and kid to look after and I take real offence to basically being called a tosser because I have real life priorities |
| Ryan Taylor 31/08/12 - I think Miriam (and others) would take real offence at being called a "patronising fuckhead" because they are only being polite: http://www.apterous.org/chat.php?jumptime_hour=5&jumptime_mins=57&jump_day=31&jump_month=8&jump_year=2012 |
 | Heather Styles Can you tone it down a bit, guys? It's the season of love and understanding, after all... |
| Zarte Siempre Considering I also had an e-mail from you Barry saying that you couldn't be fucked with any of us - or words to that effects, and I'd only kept you in on the offchance you'd changed your mind... |
| Barry French Is this what you do, ostracise anyone who has difficulties or isn't a good player on the site? No I never liked being told I played a good game when I didnt. But I learned eventually and I dont like but Ill just say what I think in my own head rather than to anyone else. Why drag up the past you got nothing better to do than make my life hell? I came back here to redeem myself and what do you do try and make me stay away whats the bloody point?!
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| Barry French Basically if Im not welcome here tell me to leave and I will. I wanted a chance to come back show I can just enjoying playing games and trying harder to be a better person for it. |
| Zarte Siempre "Plus Im sick of apterous" - apterous = us, sick of/fucked with - one's just a vulgarised version of the other. If you want to reapply feel free, but I'd really give over with the persecution complex - it's hardly going to make people inclined to exchange the forementioned "light pleasantries" |
| Ryan Taylor Make your life hell? Ostracise you for having difficulties? From that one comment I posted? Really Barry? Come on. I was only highlighting a bit of irony. Take it on the chin (or two) and move on. |
| Adam Gillard *Hugs Barry* |
 | Jen Steadman Barry is probably slightly on edge because he's just become a father (congratulations!), and newborns, to my knowledge, mostly exist to deprive their parents of sleep. |
| Ian Volante Wow. |
| Barry French No Zarte stop using your interpretations and twisting my words. Sick of apterous - sick of the game! I was playing it so much I was getting more pissed off than was really worthwhile! There were a few people I couldnt really care about but I was talking about THE GAME. Taking an enforced break was best thing for me because I come back refreshed and trying to enjoy it like I did when I first signed up!
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| Barry French It seems even intelligent people must find somebody else to pick on and Im the easy target. Should be ashamed of yourselves those who take the piss out of me. I came here and wasted £20 for diddly squat. I'll leave you over-qualified for MENSA guys to it I obviously dont fit in anywhere without you all wanting to rip me to shreds. |
| Ian Volante I don't think people here are like that Barry. Feels like misinterpretation on both sides, you feel picked upon, the others feel taken aback at the thought of it. It's not like that really. |
| Chris Butler What Ian said. Congrats Barry :) Come inside and put your feet up :) |
| Barry French As long as it isnt like that because I dont want to waste my time I do get of my own somewhere Im not welcome. I used to see the good in everyone but too much happens online to make me look at the bad more often which makes me cloud my own judgment, I try really hard to be normal and to fit in if guys met me in person you may understand a bit better I am not anything like on here in person. I dont wish harm on anybody all I want is to get along with people okay now I understand the proper post-game etiquette. Ill leave it at that sorry for any misunderstanding |
| Barry French Thanks for the congrats messages Jen and Chris btw :) newborn and 18 month old is bloody hard work but worth it ;) |
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| Ian Volante The web is full of arseholes, the people here are usually just arseholes for comedy effect. Plus the usual problem of the tone of written comments (or lack thereof) doesn't help. |
| Barry French yeah that certainly is an achilles heel for me. I just want to focus on getting the rust off hope I can just be left be now so I can enjoy this great game once again :) |
| Zarte Siempre Barry, you'll still need to re-apply for the next cycle on the front page - Anyone who didn't play a single game got kicked out and I have to be fair with that. You'll start from the bottom division, but you can work up. |
| Barry French Thats fine Zarte I think I should be in bottom division anyway so no axe to grind there. Merry Christmas to all... |
| S J you can join me! happy chrismas |
Tourney round: Apto-tude League: The real divisions
Notes from the organizer: PLEASE DO NOT ENTER THIS IF YOU WERE ALREADY INVOLVED! I have presumed you'll want to continue! :)
For those who weren't involved before - you can still apply to join a league at the bottom of the ladder. New entrants will be ordered by prorank to make the groups as even as possible :)
Ran from: 5 November – 16 December 2012. Format: Old 15. Matches: One-off. Approved.
Fixtures: 224. Completed: 178.
Results and fixtures
Key. Green: winner. Red: loser. Grey: tie. (Stripes: provisional, match in progress.)
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