Matt Gould

Matt Gould Just a thought for future editions...if you are the higher ranked player then clearly you are already the favourite to win a given match and having home advantage just cements this further. Can it not be randomised to level the playing field a little?

Sarah  Matthews

Sarah Matthews I have zero chance of winning a game in my group. I'm the equivalent of Dagenham & Redbridge being in a group with Real Madrid, Man City & Barcelona ! :)

Stu Harkness

Stu Harkness There's a good chance one of you two might win a game in your group!

Good ol' Dag&Red :D

Sarah  Matthews

Sarah Matthews Come on The Daggers!

Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall Matt - it's a dilemma, but one I'll take on board. There is a request in from Philip Aston for a new more even format that could be used in tournament play. Given how many football themed tournaments there are, hopefully it'll be implemented soon.

Sarah  Matthews

Sarah Matthews makes absolutely no sense why a higher rated player gets home advantage. it gives players like myself no chance in these tourneys and no point in entering them

Stu Harkness

Stu Harkness I get that, but tbf Dave puts a lot of time into his tournaments and they're so well organised

Sarah  Matthews

Sarah Matthews yes i know a lot of effort is put into these tournaments but it does deter lower ranked players like myself from entering them. when i saw my group i knew straight away there's 3 losses. competition over straight away.

Stephen Elsley

Stephen Elsley I've got absolutely no chance in my group with the players I'll be up against. I seem to be the only player with a low rating that enters these tournaments. Maybe there needs to be a tourney for just lower ranked players.

M S R

M S R Possible solutions until then

-Make each game two legged (not accurate to IRL, but gives each player a chance)
-Make it a 9R, but keep the same scoring rules (i.e spotting a max the other misses scores you a goal)

And if you haven't already, vote up on Philip proposal :D

Fiona T

Fiona T Most tourney organisers welcome constructive feedback, but try keep it constructive. If you want tourneys for lower rated players, plan them and run them! Adam's "reach your rating" tournament strongly favoured lower rated players - but neither of you entered that?

Fiona T

Fiona T Also aptoleague sorts players into divisions so have a look at that if you're not already in it!

Fi Thorne

Fi Thorne I'm also a lower ranked player, but I love playing in tourneys and massively appreciate the effort the organisers put in. You just have to go into them with the attitude of having fun and maybe learning some new words or achieving a new personal best. Also, just like football, even the best Apterous players have bad days, so you never know what might happen!

Sarah  Matthews

Sarah Matthews I was only agreeing with Matt's comment so why is my feedback not constructive? I don't think it's fair that a high rated gets home advantage. I was just having a laugh saying my group is like Dagenham being in the champions league but I feel a bit picked on here when I was just giving an opinion and joking about my group. You didn't react to Matt's comment but say something when an unpopular player comments :(

Sarah  Matthews

Sarah Matthews And I didn't enter Adam's tournament as it wasn't standard 15R and I don't understand them other crazy formats apart from a couple

Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall Appreciate the feedback guys. I think M S R and his 9-round suggestion is a good shout, so I will consider that in future (although hopefully Philip's ticket will be implemented before the next one). In terms of groups and people having no chance of qualifying, sadly that is the nature of different levels of players. Running lower ranked tournament too wouldn't work as we simply wouldn't have enough entrants. Perhaps I could have separate lower ranked players in the Copa, so will bear that in mind for the next one of these.

David Holmes

David Holmes I'm still a pretty new player here and this is the first tourney I've entered. To be honest I'm not sure I fully understand it all yet (I thought I'd drawn one of my games but was wrong!) but as a relatively weaker player I fully expected to be on a hiding to nothing. I appreciate the effort put in to organising this and (like every game I play on here) am just trying to enjoy the experience and hopefully keep learning/improving so if they ever do let me on the show I won't disgrace myself.

Fiona T

Fiona T Agree that the suggestion to not give the home advantage to the stronger player is a good one, but some of the comments then became negative, for example saying there was no point in entering. My intention wasn't to pick on anyone, just to remind people that negativity can dissuade people from running tournaments and that would be a real shame!

Stephen Elsley

Stephen Elsley Fiona, as a lower ranked player I know I'm not going to do well, and I appreciate the effort people put in to organise tourneys. I can't devise my own tourney as I wouldn't know how to and as I play on my mobile, wouldn't be able to design the spreadsheets. You mentioned that I didn't enter Adam's tourney geared for lower ranked players. This is because I rate myself good enough to enter normal format tourneys, 9, 11 or 15 rounders. That's why I entered Everything Counts. I check what the formats are before I enter tourneys. I know I'm on a hiding to nothing in this tourney, like David said, but still thought I'd enter it.

Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall Please don't worry about feedback. Even the stuff that sometimes comes across as negative doesn't worry me and does actually give me food for thought - i.e. the idea to place the lower ranked players being placed in the COPA and the ranked players in the Euros wouldn't have occurred to me, but is actually a really good way of levelling the playing field. Too late for this one, but certainly something to look at next time. I may implement the 9-rounder idea from M S R for the knock-out rounds in this one.

Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall My only concern re: having two legs is that with Human v Human tournaments it's always a concern every game being played, so I prefer not to have too many in the schedule.

Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall Finally - if you are a lower ranked player. Dream the dream. You could cause an upset and go further than you think. Wear some appropriately coloured face-paint when representing your nation to give you inspiration :) Buy the official replica shirt and wear that. Your country needs you!

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Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall FYI - I WON'T be doing myself that with Italy. Not after what they did to us in the last Euros.

Stu Harkness

Stu Harkness I'll go Italy hahaha

Tbf Argentina just as good

Andy SC

Andy SC Or just be like Scotland and put fairy liquid in every water fountain wherever you go and then proceed to jump in said fountain.

The champions league and Europa League finals, I decided to have them as two legged ties so that each player got to pick every round in at least one game. Some games did require replays where arguably some players got an advantage but it alternated if further replays are required. Maybe you could have replays for the knockouts even if it doesn't follow real life tournament?

Dave Kempshall

Dave Kempshall Exactly halfway through in times of the scheduled time and exactly half the games played. Thanks for getting them done and keep going :) Group A in the Euros continue to keep us all in suspense.

Adam Latchford

Adam Latchford Dave i think me vs stephen should be 5-1 not 5-0

Tourney round: Euro '24 & COPA America '24: Group Stage

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Notes from the organizer: Here we are - the nations have been allocated and the groups are now set. I’ve given us three weeks to get these done, but will schedule fixtures for the knockouts as they become available to keep things moving. We have Waldorf representing Bolivia as we only had 39 entrants.

Good luck everyone. A reminder of the rules…

Games played in Champions League format and goals scored when you win a round with a max (mirroring past tournaments and also George’s Premier League / Championship and Andy’s recent Champions League tournament scoring for anyone familiar with those). The higher seeded player gets the home advantage in the groups.

Euros tables - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DEAwNNDj61m3Pl3_apN_XVzwC79e0LM-rTqWtSqVnZA/edit?pli=1#gid=594037917&range=A1:M1
Copa tables - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DEAwNNDj61m3Pl3_apN_XVzwC79e0LM-rTqWtSqVnZA/edit?pli=1#gid=1381830897&range=A1:M1

Runs from: 1 – 20 June 2024. Format: Champions League. Matches: One-off. Approved.

Organizers: Dave Kempshall.

Fixtures: 60. Completed: 48.

Results and fixtures

Player 1Player 2Status
Anthony EndsorDave RobjohnsUnplayed
Andy SCAdrian FletcherUnplayed
Dave RobjohnsAdrian FletcherUnplayed
Anthony EndsorAndy SC8 – 7
Andy SCDave Robjohns5 – 10
Anthony EndsorAdrian FletcherUnplayed
Thomas CareyElwin Carlos7 – 8
Dave KempshallFi Thorne10 – 5
Thomas CareyDave Kempshall10 – 7
Elwin CarlosFi ThorneUnplayed
Thomas CareyFi ThorneUnplayed
Elwin CarlosDave Kempshall9 – 9
Fiona TAdam Latchford8 – 8
Wesley BartonStephen Elsley8 – 4
Wesley BartonAdam Latchford4 – 8
Fiona TStephen Elsley9 – 2
Adam LatchfordStephen Elsley9 – 4
Fiona TWesley Barton10 – 5
Mike LeeDan Byrom6 – 11
Steven OldhamMich RUnplayed
Dan ByromSteven Oldham10 – 4
Mike LeeMich R10 – 10
Dan ByromMich R10 – 5
Mike LeeSteven Oldham10 – 9
Johnny CanuckBen Bazzard9 – 6
Mike SpringettDavid Holmes7 – 11
Johnny CanuckDavid Holmes8 – 6
Mike SpringettBen Bazzard9 – 10
Johnny CanuckMike SpringettUnplayed
Ben BazzardDavid Holmes9 – 9
Matthew BrockwellDarren Godfrey8 – 10
Matt GouldSarah Matthews10 – 5
Matthew BrockwellMatt Gould10 – 6
Darren GodfreySarah Matthews8 – 5
Matthew BrockwellSarah Matthews8 – 2
Darren GodfreyMatt Gould8 – 7
Adam DexterStu Harkness5 – 10
Adam PeelColin Thompson8 – 9
Stu HarknessColin Thompson10 – 9
Adam DexterAdam Peel8 – 5
Stu HarknessAdam Peel9 – 9
Adam DexterColin Thompson8 – 6
Tom CapplemanM S R11 – 6
Jason TurnerJ Bartram9 – 5
Tom CapplemanJason Turner11 – 7
M S RJ Bartram8 – 5
Tom CapplemanJ Bartram9 – 6
Jason TurnerM S R8 – 8
John AzizGeorge Armstrong8 – 11
Apterous WaldorfIan Wray4 – 9
Ian WrayGeorge Armstrong7 – 11
Apterous WaldorfJohn Aziz7 – 8
Apterous WaldorfGeorge Armstrong5 – 11
John AzizIan Wray9 – 9
Matthew TassierHazel Drury8 – 11
Brett DavidsMark O'Regan8 – 7
Brett DavidsHazel DruryUnplayed
Matthew TassierMark O'ReganUnplayed
Hazel DruryMark O'ReganUnplayed
Matthew TassierBrett DavidsUnplayed

Key. Green: winner. Red: loser. Grey: tie. (Stripes: provisional, match in progress.)

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